tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2698349159737417062.post7742719774004013011..comments2023-06-10T07:08:38.723-07:00Comments on Dave Doesn't Write Anything Ever: Live And Let NopeDave Holwillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07301275107373085487noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2698349159737417062.post-74245512788574559502019-08-22T01:16:02.695-07:002019-08-22T01:16:02.695-07:00Thanks, I knew I couldn't be the only one into...Thanks, I knew I couldn't be the only one into Crocs and Billy Joel :)Dave Holwillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07301275107373085487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2698349159737417062.post-45846931473068599432019-08-21T17:08:25.426-07:002019-08-21T17:08:25.426-07:00This was a fantastic post. I couldn't agree w...This was a fantastic post. I couldn't agree with you more. Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14241300876630582609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2698349159737417062.post-89546050666383136332019-08-20T06:56:07.657-07:002019-08-20T06:56:07.657-07:00Grey areas are fine Steve. Nothing is without risk...Grey areas are fine Steve. Nothing is without risk, I never suggested they were without risk.<br />But measles is now coming back, because of the MMR vaccine not being taken up by as many as 1 in 4 (in London) mostly due to that thoroughly discredited link to autism.<br />And that seems to be a step backwards in public health. <br /><br /><br />There are no black and white issues when you get down to it, always grey areas.<br />And you've agreed that they aren't inherently bad, so I'll compromise and say they aren't all necessarily entirely wholesome. I'd rather have had an MMR jab than gone through actual measles when I was 7 though. It was shit.<br /><br />And had remain won, the leave side made it perfectly clear they would be trying for another vote - before the count was even finished.Dave Holwillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07301275107373085487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2698349159737417062.post-43844816175197269072019-08-20T06:39:07.134-07:002019-08-20T06:39:07.134-07:00Well, I agree with all of the above; although I wo...Well, I agree with all of the above; although I would suggest that had remain vote won it would not be regarded by 16m people as an advisory vote - but then maybe 17m would be suggesting that was the case! But I agree that everyone should question it all and be free from being called a traitor or receiving negative feedback when they do. Which brings me to the only point I take issue with in your second list... Intolerance of people who think "vaccines are bad"... Vaccine injury is a real thing and has cost the NHS £74m (equivalent approx £275k/week) since the Vaccine Damage Payments Act 1979 was passed https://fullfact.org/online/vaccine-damage-fund/. Vaccines are not necessarily bad, I agree - and in fact have helped combat many horrible diseases, but their manufacture processes, the method of deployment and not taking appropriate precautions before administering can be bad. This FOI back in 2017 asked how many claims had been made in the previous 10 years - 759 of which only 11 were successful (that is another whole topic and a damning issue for those that are likely due compensation but don't meet the questionable criteria; here's one example https://www.hsj.co.uk/policy-and-regulation/-dhsc-admits-it-was-wrong-to-block-vaccine-compensation/7021949.article). FOI link for previous 10 years - https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/391400/response/955853/attach/2/FOI%201075690%20Griffin%20VDPS%20claims%20v2%204.pdf. An excellent article from BMJ https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3414/rr-15 highlights some issues around the topic and also states that "Since its inception, a total of 6,026 have been submitted under the Vaccine Damage Payments Act 1979 with only a mere 931 awards being made." Pretending there is not risk or debunking research which proves links or hiding reports of deaths does not make vaccines safe. Here's an article from 2006 highlighting one such report https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3336455/Secret-report-reveals-18-child-deaths-following-vaccinations.html and another more recent from BMJ, not against vaccines, but highlighting how manufactures may be being tricky with statistics https://www.bmj.com/content/360/bmj.k1378/rr-6. In my humble opinion, parents are woefully under informed of facts and how to reduce the risks associated with vaccination and overly influenced by propaganda and comments such as yours in your list. It is nuanced - call it the grey area, not a black and white issue. Take a family with 3 children and their oldest had an adverse reaction to their first 6in1 8 week vaccine - would you really not tolerate or even condemn them for not vaccinating their other two children? <br />Yes use vaccines, yes check people before administering them (oh wait, we don't *really* do that), yes question whether it is right for you and/or your child, yes to freedom of choice without fear of condemnation from those who 'know better' or whose opinion is more valid. With respect, I just think that is a lack of tolerance too far Dave. There are all sorts of people, for all sorts of reasons, who make choices that are right for them and should not be subject to this kind of intolerance :D hehe (yes, i know there is a current plethora of vaccine safety studies published all proving vaccine safety...I'll leave you this for the HPV vaccine https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3414/rr-13 which should be cause for anyone to sit back and at least momentarily question prior to giving "informed consent")Steve Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12454396179112442475noreply@blogger.com