Well, after two nights of wondering
what on earth I could possibly write about this week, I was gifted a
marvellous online argument this afternoon, in which I showed
remarkable restraint in the face of boundless abuse. Unfounded I
might add, and still not apologised for. It was a little like going
back to school again for a bit with some of the insults chucked my
way. However, we settled our differences, and he became a perfectly
reasonable chap after he realised his mistake, and I shall not name
names, or my connection to him, those of you who saw it will know,
and those of you who didn't don't need to. I don't personally know
the chap, or wish him any ill-will, but it once again got me thinking
about people's very different styles of argument.
Now, if you have spent any time on the
world wide web at all recently, or even in the company of real
people, talking about stuff (you know, in the pub, like we used to do
in the olden days) you will be aware of UKIP, and how they divide
opinion. Although, in my personal circle, it is more about why
you think they're wrong, rather than whether you like them or not,
however, I am not getting into that here. There are plenty of other
ranty political blogs out there, suffice it to say that the
borderline racism is not their worst quality. A friend of mine had
posted on facebook that he was thinking of voting for them as a
protest vote, and being helpful, I posted some alternatives, and this
infamous Stewart Lee picture quote.
After which, I came across this blog
entry by somebody else, and rather than just posting the link, I also
quoted a hefty chunk of text in the thread, inside quotation marks.
Because people never click on links, but they will pick up on bits of
quotes.
http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/reasons-to-vote-alternative-2014.html.
If you are similarly unlikely to read the link, the gist of the bit I
quoted was that UKIP policies are a wee bit tory-like and
establishment, and thus as a protest vote, it's a bit daft. There
were these two key parts that got me in a bit of trouble however
"backed by a tide of political illiterates who consider them some kind of "alternative" to the establishment orthodoxy",
and “UKIP is the party to represent
the kind of person who loved Margaret Thatcher, but thought her
biggest fault was that she was too left-wing. If you are not as
right-wing as Margaret Thatcher was, yet you actually vote for this
unmistakably Thatcherite party, you are clearly an idiot, and should
be ashamed of yourself.”
Now, having just read it, quoted a big
chunk and wandered off to do something else, I was slightly surprised
later on to find some comments below my quotes.
“Another twat that can do nothing but
slab off ukip yawn”
“Get your hair cut get a job and jog
on I'm not the 1 looks like a idiot”
Which
surprised me a bit, as it is not the cut and thrust political debate
I am used to. Particularly since I have a relatively well-paid and
responsible job. And my employer has no problem with my beautiful
locks at all. I'm not one to generalise over the “average bloke in
the street” voter, but cripes DM, this is an odd refutation. At
this point, I assumed he was on a serious offensive, and pointed out
that personal insults are no way to conduct a serious debate, and it
seemed a bit childish. I got this in return
“You
started it calling all people that vote ukip idiots and what's
Thatcher got to do with it no proper argument just blame her”
Yep,
I got told that I “started it.” At any point I expected to be
told that I was just jealous, or that he knew I was but what was he.
I had a quick look up the thread to discover that earlier on he had
referred to somebody else as a “chink” which is lovely. Then
googled him, and found him expressing solidarity with the lovely
Jeremy Clarkson (who I do find funny, and have no problem with) by
telling him to use the dambusters dog as defence (we all know what
Guy Gibson's dog in dambusters was called right?) so I had a measure
of his “speak as I find” type personality, and tried to tread
carefully. In my next few attempts to get the reasons for the UKIP
support I also got these little gems thrown at me
“what
you done apart from slag a party off and slate a dead woman your a
hero mate”
“*name
of my friend removed* some of your friends are 1st class single
minded bell ends”
“maybe
you just a green sheep and can't make your own decisions Barr.”
At
which point I realised, after much explaining that I had only linked
to the article, and had not called anybody anything derogatory, he
hadn't seen the quote marks around the bit I quoted, and thus assumed
that the fairly combative language used in the original had been
mine, and he felt I had aimed it at him. So I did what I always do in
these situations, explained it more fully, apologised for any offence
caused and tried to move on.
To
this guys credit, we did. He did not however apologise for the
schoolboy insults. Which unfortunately makes him a grade A
cuntknuckle who can go fuck himself with his mum's fat sweaty leg.
(joke).
He
is also lucky that I do consider pulling people up on their spelling
and grammar to be the lowest form of arguing. Pedantry is hugely
distracting, and the last refuge of a fuckwit on the ropes. It was
tempting, though there would be no winners in that situation, only
unending twattery of the worst order.
I
learned very quickly on the web that as soon as you bring personal
insults into an argument, you have essentially lost. As I've been
arguing about politics, religion, music and comic books all over the
web since back on the usenet forums in the 90s, I've got a lot of
experience at online arguing. Much the same as I learned very quickly
in real life arguing in the pub that he who starts swearing first,
gets punched in the head by a psycho (learned that the hard way
thanks). So I have always conducted myself in as obsessively polite a
manner as I can when arguing, particularly on the internet, as I
don't like it when people can back-quote me, and prove that I was
disrespectful and impolite in my arguments when I pull them up for
it. If we all did this, internet arguments would be a lot more fun
for all involved.
I
will still say things I do not believe in as inflammatory a way as I
can just for shits and giggles though. Trolling in its purest form is
still a great deal of fun.
On
the same note, when I read this in the guardian a few weeks ago
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/28/inequality-hurts-everyone-taxation-growth
the below the line comments made me surprisingly cross. I know all
below the line commenters are certifiably insane, trolls, or
advertising robots, but some of them undermine the whole
argumentative process. In the article, Chris Huhne makes the point
that inequality is bad, and it hurts every level of society. Hoorah!
Rapturous applause, Lib Dem MP makes thoroughly obvious point that we
should all agree with. Although some definitely won't agree, that's
where the argument in the comments section will go surely?
No,
the argument was that Mr Huhne makes too much money to be able to
talk about this issue.
As
if only the very poor can talk about inequality. If we want any
change to happen, it has to come from those at the top, who are in
power, unless we go for a full on blood and ashes revolution. And
those seldom end well in the short term. It got worse, somebody else
dragged Lib Dem policy into it, and then he was pulled apart because
he was promoting a book at the same time.
And
thus the arguments over the actual issues were brilliantly sidelined
into trivialities of party politics that do not matter one jot. Which
makes me suspect that the internet trolls, crazies, and swivel-eyed
loons are actually hired by the Illuminati/Government/Your Conspiracy
Theory of Choice to distract us from ever reaching any kind of truth.
YMMV
:)